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A Conversation About God

02 Nov

This is a conversation between me and my good friend John about God. He gave me permission to repost his comments on Facebook here on my blog. I really liked how we both had an intelligent conversation without all the arguing that mostly comes with discussing religion. Thanks John! ^_^

  • Xao Thao That’s not true. And those reference links–one went to a Dutch YouTube page which has no consequence on the matter and the other went nowhere. New Testament documents are 99.5% accurate in relation to each other being 24,000 copies, compared to many other ancient manuscripts such as Homer’s Illiad which stands at a mere 95% accuracy out of 643 copies. Actual reference links for you: http://www.str.org/…/is-the-new-testament-text-reliable… and http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html

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  • Xao Thao It’s a lack of knowledge that destroys people, so has God said this very same thing and it’s proven to be true.
  • Xao Thao Not true either. Hell was created for the devil and his angels.
  • John Behrent Try this, then.

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  • Xao Thao Not true either. There was a reason why He flooded the world. And He didn’t kill everyone. He saved Noah and his wife, their sons and their wives.
  • Xao Thao You can throw me more memes made up by ignorant people to which the masses believe whole heartedly without reason nor actual knowledge. Popular opinion doesn’t doesn’t make something wrong right.
  • John Behrent Let’s think about this for a minute. Let’s go on the supposition that God is all-knowing, and always has been. That means that on Day One, he knew the consequences of putting the Tree of Knowledge in the garden of Eden. He knew the serpent would tempt Eve after he forbade her and Adam from eating from it. But he put it there anyway, then gave them the boot for doing what he knew they’d do. Does that really sound like something a good, kind, loving deity would do? Further, if he’s all-knowing, why did he spend so much time testing people’s faith? He knew who was loyal to him and who wasn’t, right? Or is he really imperfect and flawed?
  • John Behrent And also, I don’t care how much you want to glorify innocent sacrifice. If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, not to mention a loving deity, he’d have gotten out of his great cosmic Barcalounger and given Jesus a hand, instead of letting him be tortured to death. NO loving father let’s one of his children suffer.
  • Xao Thao It’s because people have free will and the ability to choose. Just because a parent knows that a child will choose wrong doesn’t mean that that parent doesn’t love that child. And because a good parent would discipline their children when they do wrong, it by no means mean that that parent loves their children any less. Parents allow children to make their own mistakes because that is the only way that any child will learn and grow. Free will gives independence to people. They have the ability to do what they want to do and therefore, even if a parent wanted to hold on to a child and protect them from all the wrong things in the world, that child will find ways to do them regardless. So yes, punishment is indeed needed to correct wrong behavior so that children grow up wiser and do less wrong things.
  • Xao Thao There are no innocent sacrifices. Because of Adam and Eve, all have sinned and are born in sin. Therefore, Jesus was needed as a pure and holy sacrifice because he IS God in the flesh. A loving deity is also a fierce deity that protects and is jealous. Mankind wants to mold God down to our standards so that we are able to understand Him, but He knew our inability to be anywhere close to His great magnificence and became flesh for us so He could understand us. He suffered for us. And yet, without that suffering, millions more would be damned today.
  • John Behrent Firstly, the Eden thing proves that God set Adam and Eve up. They were the Bible’s first patsies. And secondly, I don’t see how ‘allowing a child to make their own mistakes’ equates to being okay with someone else torturing your own child to death. The fact that God did nothing makes me doubt his omnipotence.
  • John Behrent Xao, look around you, really look at the world. Look at what politicians and the wealthy are doing to it, and to innocent people. Without remorse, pity, or regret. Can you really tell me we’re not damned anyway, with the state of the world? And still, God does…nothing.
  • Xao Thao The fact that mankind wrestles with God daily and in their ignorance and arrogance (seemingly, they believe they know better than Him who created them), makes me doubt why God bothers to save. However, despite my own harsh opinions of humanity, it’s done. Salvation is here for those who will accept it. We can argue God’s goodness or people believing that He does nothing while the world crumbles and rots to pieces, but it is because of US that the world is in shambles. People want to blame God for bad things that other bad people do. The Crusades is often used as a device against God saying He allowed millions to be slaughtered under His name. No, that’s not even true. The Crusades were a battle campaign created by wicked men in whose hearts were thoughts of evil continually, who under the false guise that God was their leader, sent out and persecuted Christians as their main targets out of the millions that they’ve slaughtered in cold blood. There is a Just God in heaven and believe me that He does not turn a blind eye to all the evil and wickedness of mankind. There is a Judgement Day for all and whether it satisfies you or me that “decent” people never get anything good in their lives while the wicked prosper, it is not up for us to deal out judgement. Vengeance is the Lord’s and He will repay.
  • John Behrent No, man doesn’t wrestle with God. Man wrestles against man. Why? For control. For power. For objects and titles that won’t follow them to the next world anyway. Let’s just be honest, we’re not going to agree on a lot in this conversation. I’m not even a Christian of any stripe. But I’m at peace with the fact that that’s what’s right for you. Are we cool?
  • Xao Thao We’re always cool. I thought we were having a really good conversation that I was going to copy everything down and save it. John, man wrestles with God every day when man believes that they know what God should be doing for them or for the world. We want God to do things our way when we want them to be done and then we throw a tantrum and say God is unloving when we don’t get what we want. God knows what is best for us. And it is because of this that certain things are allowed in our life and certain things are not. Suffering, yes, is allowed in all of our lives, not as a test to how much we love Him, but a test to how much He loves us that He will in all our trials and troubles, make a way out for us. We are not defeated. We are still here. And no matter how bad or sad or mad we are or the world around us is, we will overcome in Him. People don’t have to be Christians to believe in God. I always knew God existed as a little girl, growing up in a household full of shamans, and I wasn’t a Christian until 6 years ago. Everything in my life had to go exactly as they did for me to reach the point where I would choose Him. And I’ve rejected God many, many times. So many times, I can’t count. But, His great mercy saved me. And albeit, I’m not a good Christian, but I know better. Meaning I know what I should be like. Many Christians will be in hell and they will be very surprised. Being a Christian doesn’t mean conforming to a large religion that in today’s world, conforms to the world and their beliefs, but being a Christian means following Christ. People can be Christians without church, without organized religion, without all that extra mankind made mess of what Christianity should be like or should be about. I pray one day that everyone is saved, although I know that will never be true. Despite whether I like someone or not (I’m pretty antisocial and mean), it would make me happy to see less people in hell and more in heaven, even if they were supposedly my worst enemies. *hugs*
  • Wendy Booth Just gonna throw this curve ball in here…at no particular person. Religion is SO SO different than spirituality. Spirituality is just a partial experience of all-that-is. All spiritual experience is incomplete, because it is not possible to know the whole of God. I’m inclined to believe that a truly spiritual person will (understanding his/her experiences are so incomplete) very warily eye someone or something who would deem to have specific details of things he/she could not have experienced him/herself. That’s not to imply that ‘faith’ is a bad thing. But even faith should be seeded in some fact and reason. At its best moments (which are rare), religion is never more than a very DULL reflection of any God – in a tiny little mirror made by the hand of a tiny little man.
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  1. theowllady

    November 2, 2014 at 11:45 pm

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